Wednesday, July 23, 2014

A few things the USA can do concerning Gaza (Updated)

by oldschooltwentysix

Lift the FAA ban. It singles out and punishes Israel economically while Hamas claims victory. One might argue it was intentionally to pressure Israel, rather than support our ally.

Investigate the UN role, particularly UNRWA, with regards to corruption, the weapons found at its schools (returned to Hamas), and the "humanitarian" use of cement to build tunnels for terrorism rather than infrastructure for peace.

Move to change the definition of a Palestinian refugee to exclude descendants and to turn over jurisdiction to the UNHCR. When we speak of "disproportionate" we need look no further than how much aid is given to Palestinians "refugees," as if their suffering has greater meaning than others in far greater numbers and more dire situations.

Work to get the ICC prosecutor to commence an investigation of the leaders of Hamas, especially Meshaal, for the undisputed war crimes and crimes against humanity it engages in, admitted by the Palestinian representative to the Human Rights Council.

Yes, some of these things may fail, but sometimes it is important to place things in the sunlight, force the wrongdoers to defend their abuses, and expose the malice they intend.

Past time for America, like Canada, to show without equivocation which side it is on.

Feel free to add your own ideas in the comments.

UPDATE: The FAA lifted its ban. More European carriers that followed suit in effecting their own ban, have decided to keep it in effect. Air France said it was suspending its flights "until further notice." No matter the intent of the Americans, they have hurt Israel in this matter.  

Comes The Antistate

geoffff

{Cross-posted at Jews Down Under.}


Turning and turning in the widening gyre


With the Arab world and especially "the Palestinians", what has come to be called the "international community" has always favoured the men of action over the nation builders.

Terror, random murder, hate mongering, incitement,  hostage taking, extortion, blackmail  ... these have there own rewards in the Middle East and are encouraged by the truth that they work, especially when deployed against Israel and the West.

What's more, these tactics can achieve much at little cost. 

Hezbollah comprehensively proved that all those years ago in Lebanon when it forced the evacuation of US Marines and French troops, there to intervene in a civil war that then had not long flared, to restore the peace. Hezbollah managed this world changing victory with the loss of a couple of commandeered vehicles, a big bunch of explosives and a few dead martyrs. 

From their standpoint, free. No loss at all.

These resources are in abundance. They flow in the streets and drop from the trees. The wells will always be at capacity no matter how much is drawn. Lives in particular are easy to replace. The death rate in Gaza is among the lowest in the world, the birth rate perhaps the highest and half the population is under fourteen.

This equilibrium, this dynamic state of long term terrorism is "sustainable" by the most exacting standards, even of the hemp bag and Bollinger wing of the Australian Greens. 

So they kept on doing it, other learned, did it too and do it still sometimes on a grand scale.  

This is a death cult. At any time but especially right now an Arab child in Gaza has much more value as a photogenic corpse than alive, if her death can be linked to the Jews, because of the impact in the "street" and on the "international community". The result of this is there to see. 

They keep on doing it even if they have to stage it.  

Now the UN and the "international community" are hand wringing and urging"the parties to stop fighting and start talking".  Ban Ki-moon used those words. Hamas is rewarded by recognition and an implied place at the table and is duly strengthened.

It's called behaviour reinforcement. 

A perverted culture of victim hood, of eternal suffering and injustice beyond measure and so chronic that it gathers strength with the passing of the generations and brings forth and defines a new nation and a new kind of nation. 

Palestine is a nation that grieves and fights for its own state. But it is a new kind of nation, the first, and its national struggle is for a new kind of state. A state that has at the core of the purpose for constitution the destruction and supersession of another state. 

"Palestine" is not a state. It can never exist until Israel ceases to.  It is more accurately an antistate. The first in all of history.

If that sounds like an abomination then perhaps it is. This report is how the army of an antistate fights its war for national liberation. The army of "Palestine" uses these tactics because they works. Try to keep in mind these kids are those of the fighters. 

We have to say this is something new. Another threshold is crossed. There is nothing that compares to this. 


Soldier: Terrorists Charged with Babies in Hand

Shocking testimony from hospitalized soldiers reveals extent of Hamas’ use of children as human shields.
First Publish: 7/22/2014, 5:36 PM


Children in Gaza
Kids In Gaza





Wounded soldiers have given shocking testimony regarding Hamas’ use of young children as human shields.

Parents of wounded soldiers spoke to Kol Yisrael on Tuesday and shared some of the disturbing stories they had heard from their sons. They said soldiers have repeatedly seen young children in Sheijaya, Gaza, be sent out into the streets with guns to try to attack IDF troops.

One parent reported that terrorists had run at IDF soldiers with a gun in one hand and a baby in the other, apparently in hopes that the soldiers would see the child and hold their fire. If soldiers fired, the parent added, the child’s death could be used as propaganda against Israel.

“They’re continuing the same trick of using children as human shields, just as they did in Operation Cast Lead,” one father said. Women are used as human shields as well, he added.

He expressed frustration at figures on the Israeli far-left who have accused IDF soldiers of committing war crimes. Israel’s soldiers do everything they can to avoid hurting innocent people, he said.

The parents’ testimony joins previous evidence of similar crimes, including reports from UNRWA that a school building was used to store rockets, and a video showing terrorists using an ambulance to escape the site of an attack.

Hamas has openly boasted about the "success" of its strategy of using civilians as human shields during Operation Protective Edge.

This is Dana Bar-on and Hamas Wants Her Dead

Michael L. 

Please watch and distribute.



The last five minutes, by the way, are probably more important than the first five, so you should watch it through.

The enemies of the Jewish people have for centuries claimed that we just love to kill children and innocents.

This is the basis of the deicide claim concerning Jesus Christ - being the ultimate innocent, of course - and the claims concerning Jewish lusting after non-Jewish baby blood throughout the Middle Ages.

It has not gone away, but I am pretty sure that Dana harbors no lust for violence in her heart - unlike her kindly neighbors who hide their weapons behind their own children.

The reason that I bring it up here is because Israel's response to the shelling of Dana and her family and her neighbors has gotten much of the western-left into an uproar concerning alleged Jewish aggression.

I think, ultimately, that if the local Arabs do not want war then, perhaps, they should not wage war, but if they do wage war than they will have to accept responsibility for the clearly foreseeable outcome of their own violent behavior.

The Day of the Dhimmi is Done and Jewish people are no longer going to be anyone's punching bag... not even that of our traditional Arab-Muslim masters.

We in the diaspora need to do whatever little we can do to protect her neighborhood and the surrounding regions in the south of Israel near Gaza.

I suppose the main thing that we can do, other than those of us who are young enough to enlist, is simply advocate for the elimination of Hamas.  So long as the people of S'derot and Ashkelon, and smaller communities like Nir Am, are under siege, so all Jews are under siege.

We need to contact our politicians and let them know that we support Protective Edge.

We need to let Israel know that we back the IDF and that we support the elimination of Hamas, on liberal grounds... by any means necessary.

Say Hello to "G2geek"

Michael L.

Jew eatingThroughout progressive-left venues people are screaming to the heavens about the barbarity of the Jews in the Middle East.  Israel is portrayed as a vicious, illegitimate entity that wants nothing so much as to eat little Arab babies for lunch.

As soon as this latest round of fighting started we all knew that anti-Semitic anti-Zionists and Israel Haters would come together in order to defame and undermine the lone, sole Jewish state.

However, I am pleased to discover an individual on Daily Kos that is swimming against the current and doing it in a very reasonable and solid manner.

In Mets102's recent diary, we read this from G2geek in the comments:
it would be within the rights.... (5+ / 0-)

.... of the Jewish people, to insist on a state that was exclusively a Jewish homeland, and that alone.  Given the history of the world, it would be justified, it would be just, and it would be right, and it would be necessary.

But instead, the state of Israel provides for the citizenship and the rights, religious and civil, of others (those who are not Jewish) as well.

Many are the countries that are majority Christian and are Christian cultures.

Many are the countries that are majority Muslim and are Muslim cultures.  And many are those that are Muslim states.

But there is only ONE country that is majority Jewish, only ONE country that is a predominantly Jewish culture, and that ONE place even recognizes the rights of non-Jews as well.

Is it too much to ask, for there to be just ONE place?

We got the future back. Uh-oh.

by G2geek on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 08:17:18 PM PDT
Ahh, the refreshing breeze of common sense!

I have read far too many comments in recent days complaining about the fact of Israel's very existence.  Who are these western-leftists who feel that they can just shrug their shoulders and wave their hand and entirely disregard the national aspirations of the Jewish people; a people, by the way, that did more than anyone to advance their very own political movement.

After one particularly heinous schmuck compared Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto, G2geek tell us this:
here's why that's offensive: (3+ / 0-)

The Warsaw Ghetto was created by the Nazis as part of their means to their deliberate policy goal of genocide of Jews.

The purpose of the Warsaw ghetto was to starve and exterminate Jews.

NOTHING going on in Palestine even REMOTELY comes close to that.

Israel is not herding Palestinians into gas chambers.

Israel is not putting them in trucks specifically constructed so that the carbon monoxide exhaust fills up the rear compartment to kill the people in it.

Israel is not systematically starving them en masse.

Israel is not using them in "medical experiments."

The Warsaw Ghetto comparison effectively accuses Israel of attempted systematic genocide.  It does that by way of seeking to legitimize ANYthing that anyone calling themselves a representative of the Palestinian people may do by way of fighting Israel or the Israeli government.

That's disgusting.

There are certainly criticisms to be leveled at the Israeli government in regard to treatment of Palestinians, but there are hundreds, thousands, of historic examples that can be used by way of comparison.

You don't have to use the ONE thing, Naziism, that is the most incendiary and explosive thing in Jewish history.  The ONE thing that is the supreme example of distilled essence of evil in all of human history, even though there were other systematic evils in the 20th century with comparable numbers of casualties.

Using the Warsaw Ghetto in any I/P arguement is execrable, detestable, disgusting, and immoral.

If I was running this site I'd make it a bannable offense after disregarding a warning to stop.

We got the future back. Uh-oh.

by G2geek on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 09:16:18 PM PDT 
Here is how it works.

1)  Hamas bombs Israel while hiding behind women and children.

2)  Israel endures the bombings for years until finally responding as it is doing now.

3)  Western-leftists denounce the Jews of the Middle East as cruel warmongers, which was the entire point of Hamas' bombs to begin with.

They bomb not because they think that they are going to make military gains by doing so, but because they know they can bomb with impunity from criticism on the western-left and as soon as Israel responds those very same people will take the baton from Hamas and denounce the Jews.

And that is precisely what we are seeing in places like Daily Kos and the Huffington Post and the UK Guardian.  And for those of you who constantly say things like, "Oh, Daily Kos is irrelevant.  They're just a few anti-Zionist extremists."  We are also seeing the delegitimization of Israel coming from the EU, itself, not to mention the Obama administration.

If Jewish history tell us anything it is that downplaying threats to the Jewish people, which includes legitimizing Hamas on progressive-left blogs, is always a fundamental mistake.

Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Don't Dare Tell Me who my "Teacher" is

Mets102

hillel1
Mets102 of Daily Kos fame has offered to allow Israel Thrives to publish his latest piece entitled, Don't Dare Tell Me who my "Teacher" is.

As with other progressive-left Jews I have sometimes been hard on Mets102, but I certainly understand that he is an intelligent fellow with the well-being of the Jewish people within his heart.

That being the case, and without further discussion, I give you Mets102:
I respect Christians and their beliefs.  They believe in Jesus. 
That's fine.  That's their right and yes, the world would be a better place if they listened their teacher.  Just don't tell me that he's my teacher also.  That happened here last night.
My teachers are Hillel and Shammai and the Rambam and Rashi and the Baal Shem Tov and the Vilna Gaon and Solomon Schecter and all those, from all stripes of Judaism that have carried on our tradition and continue to do so.  They are my rabbis.  They are our rabbis. 
I know yesterday I said I consciously do not write about Israel here, ("here" being Daily Kos - editor's note) but now I realize that I must.  There are apologia for a genocidal terrorist group.  There are those that make claims that could come straight from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
From London to Madrid to Saint Petersburg to Damascus to Paris to Atlanta to Berlin toParis' current pogrom to the anti-Semitic incidents that continue to occur, whether it is the call from some in Germany to send us back to the gas to the threats and violence that have occurred in this country, my people have learned all too well what happens when we leave our collective safety in the hands of others. 
I am a proud Jew.  I am a proud Zionist.  I strongly believe in the State of Israel and the right of my people keep the state we have established in our ancestral homeland.  Its existence and its strength are necessary for the survival of the Jewish People.  I had been afraid to write those words here, but now I am not.  It was an act of moral cowardice that I had not done so earlier. 
There are those fighting and dying to protect my people as I write these words.  There are those forced to scurry with 15 seconds or less to protect themselves from terrorist rockets targeted at civilians.  Meanwhile, I sit here in the comfort of the United States without having to worry whether a rocket is going to be inbound for New York.  I owe it to those who are in danger to speak truth and that is what I do now. 
Israel is right to defend herself.  That is the right of every sovereign state.  To deny Israel that right is anti-Semitic.  Given Israel's enemy, what is she to do?  The genocidal terrorist organization she fights right now glorifies death and seeks maximal carnage on both sides.  To them dead Jews are infidels that deserve their fate and dead Palestinians are martyrs.  As Yishai Schwartz writes, "We are thus left with a paradox: Morality demands that Israel fight this war, but allows no way to fight it morally. In this conflict, reason itself seems to fail." 
What is Israel to do?  Is she supposed to just sit back and let the rockets strike?  Is she supposed to allow terrorists to commit their evil deeds simply because those terrorists know Israel's morality shows concern for the civilians of both sides?  Those terrorists know that Israel will risk the lives of her own sons and daughters to protect the lives of civilians on the other side.  Israel gives warnings.  Israel calls off strikes when the harm to civilians is too great. 
Those who scream "Massacre!" and "Genocide!" do not know what massacres and genocide are.  Israel could carpet bomb Gaza and kill tens of thousands and still be nowhere near the numbers killed by the brutal dictator Bashar al-Assad on her northeastern frontier.  If it was the genocide that some claim, then why does Gaza's population continue to increase?  Is not the hallmark of genocide the elimination of a people, not their increase?  If it is the massacre that some people claim, then what are the 170,000 dead at the hands of Bashar al-Assad?  Where are the screams about that when people so freely scream at Israel in much louder voices? 
Here I have seen far too many deny Israel her sovereign right to protect her people from attack.  Those that do so deny Israeli citizens the right to peace and quiet and security and freedom that all are entitled to.  That is antithetical to liberal and progressive values and it is anti-Semitic.  Rabbi Menachem Creditor has it right when he writes, "We will do what we must to protect our people. We have that right. We are not less deserving of life and quiet than anyone else." 
This war could have been avoided if Hamas chose not to fire rockets into Israel and once again terrorize Israeli civilians.  It could have stopped if Hamas chose to accept the ceasefire that Israel accepted.  It can stop if Hamas chooses to cease its fire of rockets into Israel.  Until then, Israel will continue to exercise her inherent right of self-defense. 
I seriously do ask those that condemn Israeli self-defense, what is she to do?  What do you suggest she does?  In what way can she exercise self-defense in a realistic manner without also earning your condemnation?  You say that her actions are disproportionate, then what do you consider a proportionate defense that is also effective in bringing peace and quiet to Sderot and Be'er Sheva and Tel Aviv and Yerushalayim?  Answer those questions for me. 
If you cannot, then your silence is truly deafening.
Like the majority of my fellow Americans, I am proud to stand with Israel.

Two American Jewish "Lone Soldiers" Dead in Gaza

Michael L.
Y-Net reports:Max Steinberg1 
As Israel mourns the loss of its soldiers in the fighting in Gaza, there has been an outpouring of support and solidarity for the two Americans who fell in battle there – Texan Sean Carmeli and Californian Max Steinberg. Both died in separate incidents Sunday - a day that saw 13 soldiers killed in Gaza. 
(Editor's note - Steinberg is to the left and Carmeli is below and to the right.) 
Determined to give Carmeli a well-attended funeral in Haifa on Monday night, some 20,000 Israelis from across the country turned out to pay tribute to a fighter whose lone soldier status won him much admiration. So many people attended, in fact, that there were heavy traffic jams in the city. 
Sean Carmeli1Israel calls them the lone soldiers: They are men and women in the prime of their lives who have left their parents and often comfortable lives behind in places like Sydney, London, Los Angeles and elsewhere to join the Israel Defense Forces, marching in the desert and taking up arms to defend the Jewish state. 
I suppose that I just want to acknowledge the ultimate sacrifice made by a few of my fellow American Jews.

The bottom line is that Israel can simply not have a genocidal, terrorist entity at its door-step baying for Jewish blood and these young American Jews gave their life in order to help the Jews of the Middle East rid themselves of Jihadi threats.

I do not expect diaspora Jews to flock to Israel in its defense, but it might be nice if diaspora Jews acknowledged that Israel is fighting a theocratically-ideological foe that, in its very charter, calls for the murder of Jews.

This should not merely be referenced here and there, but made central to the argument.  Just as the Nazis called for the genocide of the Jewish people so does Hamas and many millions throughout the Arab world.

Until such a time as we insist upon placing the conflict within the context of 14 centuries of Arab-Muslim Jew hatred then we have no possible case, because our enemies will tell the world that the source of the problem is Israeli land theft; i.e., Jewish land theft of Jewish land.

If we cannot make our case then no one will make it for us.  And if we cannot bring ourselves to demand sovereignty on our own land based on 4,000 years of continual habitation then hostile western-progressives will continue to insist that Jewish sovereignty on Jewish land is an abomination because it is grounded in the persecution and subjugation of the "indigenous" Arab conquering emigres from the Saudi peninsula.

Again, so long as we continue to use the language of our enemies then we cannot even begin to make our case not just to neutrals, but even to friends.

And so long as we forget 13 centuries of persecution under the boot of Arab-Muslim imperial rule, why should we expect the least bit of sympathy from anyone?

Pat Condell Is Still Dead Set Right

geoffff




This continues the theme at the Joint  about the curse of being forced to live history over and over again. A condemnation that is earned by the big, lazy and ignorant and caste off on the small and innocent.

Deja spew if you will

'plus ca change, plus ca reste la meme chose', if you like


The Joint saw and posted this video when it was first uploaded less than two years ago. It is confronting how much has been forgotten by so many in such a short time.


It has just been emailed to me again from someone in Israel struck by its currency and who comments , "Why is it that only he--and a very few others--can perceive the truth of this conflict?"


The video screams to be heard again right now.  


This is Pat Condell in November 2012 commenting on the renewed bombardment of Israel by the criminal regime in Gaza, what is Hamas, what it wants, how it only can  be dealt with and the hopeless, bottomless, blind depravity of the Western liberal/left who reflexively take the side of the enemies of Israel and the West.


There was not a word wasted then. There is not a word you would trim or add now.


hat tip elenor